By Leigh Ann Caldwell, Chris Frates and Cassie Spodak, CNN
Appearing on CNN's "State
of the Union," Zimmer said she was told by a member of Christie's
administration that Sandy relief funds hinged on her support for a real
estate development project and that the directive was coming directly
from Christie.
"She said that to me --
is that this is a direct message from the Governor," Zimmer said,
referring to Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno, who Zimmer said approached her in a
parking lot in May to deliver the message.
It's "stunning" and "outrageous," but true, the Hoboken mayor told CNN's Candy Crowley. "I stand by my word."
Later in the day, she
released a statement saying that she had met with the U.S. Attorney's
Office for several hours at its request and provided the office with her
journal and other documents.
"As they pursue this
investigation, I will provide any requested information and testify
under oath about the facts of what happened when the Lieutenant Governor
came to Hoboken and told me that Sandy aid would be contingent on
moving forward with a private development project," she said.
Zimmer said the Christie
administration wanted her to approve a project by The Rockefeller Group,
a real estate developer with ties to Christie's administration.
When asked by CNN to
respond to Zimmer's accusation that Christie had a direct hand in the
threat, Christie spokesman Colin Reed refused to address it and instead
referred to a previous statement, which said Zimmer's allegations that
relief funds were withheld is based on partisan politics.
The allegations come as
other controversies revolve around Christie's administration. In one,
evidence mounts showing that Christie aides were involved in tying up traffic
in a town at the foot of the George Washington Bridge in what may have
been an act of political retribution against another mayor. In another,
the Christie administration hired a firm for post-Sandy tourism ads that cost nearly twice as much as the next highest proposal.
This is the first time Christie has been directly connected to the controversy.
Christie administration pushes back
In his statement to CNN
on Saturday, Reed blasted Zimmer's claim that the funds were based on
the real estate project. He said her accusations are false, adding,
"It's very clear partisan politics are at play here as Democratic mayors
with a political ax to grind come out of the woodwork and try to get
their faces on television."
Reed went on to attack
the cable news channel that first broke the news Saturday. "MSNBC is a
partisan network that has been openly hostile to Governor Christie and
almost gleeful in their efforts attacking him," Reed said.
MSNBC said its story is based on an interview with Zimmer "and e-mails and personal notes she shared with MSNBC."
The Governor's spokesman
also said the Mayor and Governor have had a "productive relationship,"
noting an August tweet by Zimmer saying she's "very glad Governor
Christie has been our Gov."
Zimmer's comments
Saturday and Sunday are a change from what she told CNN just last week,
when she said that while she wondered whether Sandy aid funds were being
withheld because she didn't endorse the governor's re-election, she
concluded that "I don't think that's the case."
"I don't think it was
retaliation and I don't have any reason to think it's retaliation, but
I'm not satisfied with the amount of money I've gotten so far," Zimmer
told CNN last week, not mentioning her concerns about the redevelopment
project.
But Sunday morning,
Zimmer told CNN's Crowley that she didn't speak out before because she
didn't think anyone would believe her, adding that she is now "offering
to testify under oath."
Zimmer admitted to
supporting Christie in the past, saying she is not a part of "the
Democratic machine." But the information around the George Washington
Bridge scandal -- involving lane closures at the entrance to the busy
bridge, apparently for political retaliation -- prompted her to speak.
She said she sees parallels between her story and the bridge
controversy: "The Christie administration using their authority to try
and get something."
Zimmer said Guadagno appeared to feel guilty for delivering the message.
"I believe if and when
she is asked to testify under oath, the truth will come out, because I
believe she will be truthful and she will tell the truth," Zimmer told
Crowley.
Zimmer also said she is
speaking because she wants Hoboken to receive an appropriate level of
funds in the second round of recovery dollars about to be released.
Sandy recovery funds
After Sandy, Hoboken was
80% underwater. Zimmer told CNN last week that Hoboken received only
about $300,000 of the roughly $100 million in state funds the city
requested for flood prevention.
Reed, Christie's
spokesman, told CNN that Zimmer asked for $100 million from a roughly
$300 million pot of money for which there was $14 billion worth of
requests.
Since that request, Reed
said, Hoboken has been approved for nearly $70 million in aid. The city
has also been identified as a pilot community for a federal program to
prevent flooding, one of only four such projects in New Jersey.
Zimmer, however, had a
different account of allocated funds. She said the $70 million given to
Hoboken was through flood insurance and other mechanisms that did not
need approval from the state. She received only $300,000 in
Christie-approved funds, she said.
CNN received images of journal entries from the Mayor's office that Zimmer told CNN she wrote at the time.
In one, Zimmer writes that the conversation with Guadagno left her upset and shattered the image she had of Christie.
"I thought he was
honest, I thought he was moral -- I thought he was something very
different. This week I found out he's cut from the same corrupt cloth
that I have been fighting for the last four years.
I am so disappointed
-- it literally brings tears to my eyes," the journal entry says.
Zimmer also wrote that
Guadagno told her she needs "to move forward with the Rockefeller
project. It is very important to the Gov."
Reed, asked by CNN about
Zimmer's comments on Guadagno, said, "Mayor Zimmer's characterization
of her conversation in Hoboken is categorically false."
Three days after the
purported Guadagno comments, state Community Affairs Commissioner
Richard Constable was on a panel with Zimmer, discussing Sandy relief.
Zimmer told MSNBC that
Constable leaned over and told her, "If you move (the redevelopment
project) forward, the money would start flowing to you."
In a statement to CNN,
Constable spokeswoman Lisa Ryan said, "Mayor Zimmer's allegations that
on May 16, 2013, in front a live auditorium audience Commissioner
Constable conditioned Hoboken's receipt of Sandy aid on her moving
forward with a development project is categorically false."
Debate about redevelopment
Zimmer's claims center
around a property owned by The Rockefeller Group, which had its plan for
"redevelopment" of a three-block area of Hoboken rejected by the city's
planning board. Instead, the panel voted to classify the area owned by
the company as available for "rehabilitation." The "redevelopment" label
was sought because its tax incentives offered a much more lucrative
deal for the development company.
Aides and advisers to Christie have ties to Wolff & Samson, the law firm representing The Rockefeller Group.
The Hoboken Planning
Board rejected the "redevelopment" plan three days before Zimmer was
allegedly first approached by Guadagno.
Zimmer provided MSNBC
with a 2012 e-mail from Wolff & Samson's Lori Grifa -- previously
commissioner of the New Jersey Department of Community Affairs -- to
Hoboken's lawyer that shows her lobbying on behalf of the project: "Our
client, The Rockefeller Group, has specifically asked us to speak with
you regarding its property in Hoboken."
Grifa is not the only
connection between the Christie administration and The Rockefeller
Group. The Samson in Wolff & Samson is David Samson, chairman of the
Port Authority, who was appointed by Christie. Samson was recently
served with a subpoena in the George Washington Bridge case by an
investigative committee seeking relevant documents.
The Rockefeller Group
told CNN, "We have no knowledge of any information pertaining to this
allegation. If it turns out to be true, it would be deplorable."
The law firm, in a
statement, denied Zimmer's allegations and said it did nothing wrong:
"The firm's and Ms. Grifa's conduct in the representation of our client
was appropriate in all respects. Further, Ms. Grifa notes that while DCA
Commissioner, she never met with Mayor Zimmer or The Rockefeller Group
to discuss the Hoboken project."
Zimmer told MSNBC that
she couldn't agree to The Rockefeller Group proposal because "there are
fundamental problems with the site in northern Hoboken, including
traffic and flooding issues, that would be magnified if the plan were to
go forward.
A spokesperson for The
Rockefeller Group told CNN that it still hopes to develop the site under
the designation of "rehabilitation," but that this is "contingent on
the plan the city comes up with."
Another investigation?
As word of the
allegations spread Saturday, the chairman of the investigative committee
tasked with looking into the George Washington Bridge scandal weighed
in.
Assemblyman John
Wisniewski, D-Middlesex, told CNN: "This certainly has attracted our
attention.
We need to obtain all relevant facts, confer with our special
counsel and determine the committee's best course of action."
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